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Adrian Muller

Organisation: Research Institute of Organic Agriculture FiBL
Pays: Suisse
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Topics related to: Sustainable food systems modelling; policy instruments for sustainable food systems, in particular climate policy; productivity indicators of agroecological production and food systems;

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    • Section 1:

      Example 1 of the matrix: seems very general – I think examples have to be much more concrete to be helpful as an illustration.

      Section 2:

      On poor data quality, p 19: may add the following: often data is inconsistent, e.g. in spelling of commodities (e.g. “soybeans” and “soyabeans” in different types of FAOSTAT), etc. – this also causes problems. Furthermore, data is sometimes only available in pdf-format or in excel-sheet organised in such a way as to make systematic use by data processing and analysis programs particularly tedious.

      Generally, may also put a focus regarding the data challenges to see some of them as a problem of data science and not too related to food systems – thus improvements could be sourced from the vast expertise in data science any by the help of data experts – with no specific relation to food systems. Thus, also explicitly try to learn from existing large data users on how they solve the data problems – e.g. big data in astronomy, particulate physics, neuroscience; in large companies (Amazon, etc.), in social media companies, etc.

      Section 3:

      Section 3.1.2 states: «Thus, while technological advances may reduce cost and widen the reach of surveys, the social divide may lead to the underrepresentation of those with poorer digital access and literacy (LeFevre et al., 2021) Policies and interventions that are based on such data generated from skewed sampling are therefore not useful to the unrepresented stakeholders who may have the utmost need for data-driven policy and support (Bell et al., 2017; LeFevre et al., 2021).» - true, but biased sampling is often a key mistake in any data collection and one should be very aware of this also in most traditional approaches for collecting data with the aim to gain a representative picture – as all too often the sampling strategy chosen does not allow this – the new digital devices may add an additional reason for bias to this, but being aware of it, this can be dealt with – what I want to emphasize here: biased sampling is also a problem in all other cases, where no new technologies are involved, and awareness of it needs to be increased also there. – This is taken up in section 3.3.2, so I would refer to 3.3.2 here in 3.1.2, and also vice-versa.

       “3.1.5. Lack of stakeholder engagement

      Finally, the usability of the data is limited when stakeholders have not been involved in the survey planning and there is inadequate dissemination or access to information on what data is available and how it can be used by the stakeholder. These limitations to the access and use of data for improved decision-making, make it difficult to advocate for further funding and commitments towards the collection and analysis of food security and nutrition data.”

      Regarding the quote above I would say, that this very much depends on the problem at hand and solutions identified and the data needed to implement those – stakeholder interaction is not always needed, or, if needed, it has to be specified in more detail. Thus, data usability is not in all cases limited if stakeholders have not been involved in survey planning – depends on the goals and topic.

      Section 3.3, p36: the following is indeed a key challenge, one has to work on: “– reveals the overall scarcity of a minimally sufficient, statistical and quantitative analytic literacy, needed to ensure the validity of the results presented and their proper use.” – even more than getting more data – we have to assure that the data we already get is of good quality, and that the people analysing it know what they do and what can and cannot be done with the data at hand. – There is e.g. a gap in literacy on how to set up useful data structures: relational database, etc. – as you quote Rosenberg at the end of the intro to 3.3. Take the data on the Infoods-page, for example – the tables are in excel and all the tables look somewhat too very different – and they do not follow the relational database guidelines, so it is difficult to work with them. This would be a first and easy step to improve. – in more detail, in Infoods, where are e.g. cells with values but also an index for a footnote besides the value, or there are merged cells, thus disrupting the matrix structure, etc. – there are empty cells implicitly to be filled with the last previous entry in the same column, etc……some tables are available in pdf-format only, etc. – so this is a very sub-optimal data structure.

      3.3. Lack of data processing and analytical capabilities – important section.

      The sections 3.3.1 – 3.3.6  are very important, please invest on those to make them as helpful as possible. – One input on proxies: sometimes, the art of choosing an indicator is to avoid overly costly data collection requirements while still being able to make statements about the topic of interest. – Wisely chosen proxies can be very helpful – but it is a challenge to identify those – but it is often worth the effort.

      May also add a section on “robustness” – not in the sense of uncertainty or noise (3.3.1) – but relating to how good the data has to be for supporting advice on actions to be taken. In some cases, there are “robust” patterns that can be identified from a range of approaches and without much sensitivity to changes in values of relevant parameters – thus, in such cases, data requirements are much lower than in cases, where results are very sensitive to which value a specific indicator may take. – Identifying these robust areas can be very helpful, as it reduces costs for data collection while still ensuring the possibility to derive advice for actions to be taken that will lead to the intended outcome with high certainty. – I would add such aspects to the framework presented at the beginning, e.g. giving explicit advice, on how to refine step 2 on data of the 4 steps above:

      Given the priority, problem to be solved, question to be answered: which data is needed; then: which data is already there and which has to be collected. From the data that needs to be collected: identify first this data, which is useful in such a robust way as just described: are there parts of the priority/problem/question, where solutions seem to be quite clear, robust to how detailed the data is – then first go for them. Also, try to identify the big leverage points that may provide much effect on the basis of relatively less data, and do not focus on minor aspects, that may lead to incremental improvements but require large quantities of data.

      Related to this, maybe some thoughts on the following statement: section 3.1.2: «For example, new data analytic architectures that generate farm and field level data allows farmers and stakeholders to monitor processes and make a decision for the precision livestock farming. (Fote et al., 2020). The use of these advanced technologies provides a level of granularity and immediate access to data that was lacking in traditional surveys.» true – but the first question again needs to be: which data is needed? There is some danger that the possibility to collect some more granular, detailed data at lower costs results in collecting it – without a clear aim and without a clear rationale that this data really contributes to increased food security. Thus, also with new technologies and with the huge potential of cell-phone-based data collection etc. – the first step always needs to be (as indicated in the framework) – which data is needed to solve which problem. Then the decision is taken on how to collect it.

      Section 4:

      This is somewhat confusingly structured and superficial.

      As stated there, there are many new technologies, approaches, etc. that produce data. But these could be named in relation to how data is generated today – but which of them is then useful has to be decided on the basis of the framework introduced: what is the problem, which data is needed, how is it collected: there, sensors of the IoT may become important – or not. So I would much more locate this discussion on how to collect data as an instrumental discussion to what is needed than as a self-contained description of what is out there. Whether sensors of IoT or crowdsourcing is the best source of data strongly depends on what is needed. Related to the source of data can then be discussed, which requirements arise to transform the data into information – but also there, it should be strongly guided by the needs. Furthermore, the chapter, as it is now, covers a variety of concepts that are not all related to this step of data-to-information, or in very different ways. The Block-Chain, for example, plays a totally different role in this than Virtual Reality or social media: so I would also here differentiate much more in relation to the needs. May even add this as a step in the framework suggested above, given that there is a deluge of data and extracting information from it gets more and more challenging: i.e. between “2. Data” and “3. Translation” may add a separate step: “X.Information” – thus highlighting the crucial need to very explicitly think about and discuss how there is information gained from the data available – always guided by what is needed –

      The steps may then look as follows: 1. Problem; 2. Information needed to solve it; 3. Data needed to get this information; 4. How to collect and analyse this data; 5. Translation, et… - thus, the information step may should be addressed earlier, before collecting data, as it is the focus of interest, and only when knowing which information is needed, we are able to collect the adequate data.   

      Similarly for 4.1.3 “processing data” – this is not a goal in itself, thus address it again in closest connection to the goals formulated, and it is a service which becomes a topic due to the huge amount of data available and the related challenges to process it to extract the information needed. – But this can be addressed on a purely technical level.

      Chapters 4.2. on new tech and 4.3. on how these support FSN are much too general – here, I would rather provide 2-4 in depth examples, presented in considerable detail, to illustrate certain key aspects of this in concrete cases, than providing extensive lists and references of examples without further contents.

      4.4 and 4.5 are very important, but they could also be combined, each time discussing the risks and the mitigation approaches together, not in separate subsections.  

      Section 5:

      Governance: this is also a central issue, I have not much to add here, beside the following point:

      One aspect that could be important is to think about where data collection and analysis can be AVOIDED – e.g. by sort of “self-organised” actions on a very small-scale level. Take e.g. a remotely organised extension service based on cell-phone pictures of pests and diseases and their damages, respectively – such a system can work well without collecting and analysing the data in detail – it requires a functioning cell-phone infrastructure as well as enough and well-educated farm advisors. Thus, the answer to a problem related to pest outbreaks in a region may not be to necessarily collect data but to establish a good remotely organized advisory system (I use this example just to illustrate my point – there will be better examples). – Clearly, some data is needed at the beginning (on which pests are there, etc.) – but what I want to emphasise is that in the framework of  1. Priority – 2. Data – 3. Translation – 4. Utilization – the data part can be really small – really only as much as needed. – Clearly, in such a context, more data can be collected to have better information for other cases, or maybe to better manage the given case – but again, it whould be driven by the problems to be solved and not  by the possibility that data can be collected relatively easy.

      Thus, I would say, that a guiding principle should be to always collect as few data as possible to address the stated problem with the identified data need – this then also simplifies the data governance.  

      Some further general comments:

      • May make a stronger statement somewhere at the beginning of the report, in the following direction: all these new data technologies, etc. are only a tool in the FSN context and not a goal in itself. I have the feeling that we sometimes tend to give it too much significance. We definitely should avoid adopting an approach that implicitly runs somewhat as follows: “we have the technology X – so let’s see what we can solve with it and how we can apply it.” – As displayed in section 1, the course of action really needs to be as follows: “we have problem Y, then identify which technology is most adequate to solve it!” – such thoughts could be emphasized somewhat more, I think.
      • The report goes quite far from data, information and analysis into discussion of physical devices and physical aspects (e.g. EWaste, section 4.4.5)), which I would not have expected from the title and goals of the report; may rephrase to really focus on the data/info/analysis part only and drop the rest; or broaden the rest and then also state this at the beginning of the report and include things such as 3-d-printing of spare parts to mend broken machines, while avoiding the need for complicated and time-consuming transport to remote areas, etc.

      Related to this is the following: I think it is somewhat unclear, whether the focus of the report should be on data and data analysis for FSN (as stated at the beginning) or whether digitalization is also a central aspect (as here and there in the text). I would more clearly separate them – as data and data analysis is one specific aspect on gaining information for management and policy design, while digitalization is more about certain TOOLs to implement this and agronomic practices, etc.. Data and data analysis is about how to get information on the situation, and digital technologies can partly help with this, but many other tools can contribute there as well – depending on the goals.  

      It may also be helpful to separate information provision approaches from data collection and analysis – e.g. virtual reality etc. may be stronger as educational tools than for data analysis.

    • Dear colleagues,

      this is an important effort to bring together and clarify a number of highly complex issues, thank you for this. Below, I list some comments. I first present some general comments, then more specific ones, directly referring to the text.

      Please contact me any time in case questions arise and I am happy to further contribute to this in whatever form may be useful.

      Best regards, Adrian Muller, Research Institute of Organic Agriculture FiBL. 9.12.2018

      General comments:

      Such documents are needed and important and can help guiding discussion and action, but I think that such documents often remain somewhat too general and unspecific. In my opinion, this also applies to this document.

      First, I think that there is a lack of concreteness in the formulation of all the frameworks and approaches mentioned in section 2. In my understanding, these should work as toolboxes for reducing complexity and they should be formulated in an as concrete way as possible, so that one can really work with them. For some further details on this, see my comment below referring to page 19.  

      Second, I think the document falls short of really making concrete suggestions on what can be done. There is a general call to arms and suggestions to increase information provision, research and development, also internalization of external costs, etc. – but I think one could and should become much more concrete, e.g. on pages 40/41 on policy instruments. In my opinion, there is a number of policy instruments/approaches that could be supported in any case, i.e. that robustly would lead to improvements in a broad context of diverse characteristics. I think such a document should aim at identifying and promoting those. Examples I usually think of are the following – without having researched on those systematically, without having analyzed those in depth, and without aiming for completeness:

      • Taxation of any nitrogen that is imported into certain regional boundaries: this would apply to concentrate and other feed imports and to mineral fertilizers, for example, but not to N in feed grown locally or to N from biological N fixation within these regional boundaries. Reducing these N imports to regions (what such a tax would aim at) is key to address a number of environmental challenges, from N2O emissions and climate change to biodiversity loss.  
      • In parallel, we need a tax on CO2 from burning fossil fuels. This is more adequate than a general GHG tax or a tax on meat, for example, as it would not put grass-fed ruminant production at a disadvantage, as it may not be optimal for the climate, but can play a central role in sustainable food systems in relation to other indicators.
      • Further aspects I would suggest to pursue: a ban on any advertisement of food. Or at least a strong restriction on such advertisement, in particular a prohibition to transport wrong pictures on how farming looks like (in Switzerland, all advertisement related to food promotes an idyllic farming system that is very far from reality…).
      • And I would also suggest to work towards keeping as much of the value chain of a product within the country that produces the original product. When acting on value chains, I think this approach may bring more than the general claim to support shorter value chains and to bring consumers and producers closer together (for more on the criticism of this last point, see my comment referring to page 20 below).

      Third, some general guiding principles for improvement could be made stronger; these are mainly

      • The aim for consistent policies. It does not make sense to work on biodiversity measures and at the same time subsidizing mineral fertilizers and pesticides, for example. Or to work on health issues by, say, a tax on sugar and on the same time supporting sugar cane production by special payments for this. Thus, a general call should be for reducing perverse incentives, combined with the internalization of external costs – the latter is part of the document, but it could be made more prominent; and it could be related to the general discussion of consistent policy approaches.
      • the necessity to openly and self-critically analyze one owns values; many statements are value loaded and I think they rather have the status of hypotheses than facts – cf. the comment referring to page 20 below. 

       

      Other aspects that I would claim to be such value driven implicit hypotheses rather than facts are the following: informed stakeholders act in favor of increased sustainability; power-less stakeholders act more responsible and in support of sustainability when given more power than the currently powerful stakeholders; increased stakeholder involvement leads to increased sustainability. I do not argue against those issues per se: more information; change in power relations; stakeholder involvement (and also short value chains, see other comments) – all these can contribute much; but I think that we – the people working on sustainable food systems, etc. – tend to be biased towards expecting too much from these aspects I challenged above.   

       

      Here, I may also point to a specific discussion that relates to “naturalness” and which role this may play in sustainable food systems, as e.g. addressed in the following paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S026483771631376X

       

      Specific comments:

      Page 8, definition of “food system”: to keep it manageable and useful, there needs to be some reference to boundaries (geographical, population-wise, or whatever), otherwise, we have in many cases only one food system, the global one (besides some special cases of self-sufficiency), as it captures “all the elements” by definition, thus necessitating it to encompass everything.

      Page 9: “This means that sustainable food systems are profitable throughout (economic sustainability);” I think “profitability” is a difficult term here – it should be clearly stated that this means profitability while accounting for internalized external costs and public good provision and not only profitability of a single business action in a given policy context (that thus may not get payments for public good provision, but may benefit from externalizing societal costs). Thus, may better write: “This means that sustainable food systems account for external costs and public good provision (internalization of negative and positive externalities) when being judged regarding their profitability (economic sustainability);”

      Page 13: “On the social dimension, a food system is considered sustainable when there is equity in the distribution of the economic value added, taking into account vulnerable groups” – do you really mean “equity” and not “just” (justice), i.e. “…when the distribution of the value added is just, taking into account…”? This makes quite a difference.

      Page 14: “…will have to be assessed against all other dimensions of sustainability to ensure there are no undesirable impacts.” This formulation is too absolute, as in most changes, there will be trade-offs and some undesirable impacts will always arise – e.g. if the internalization of external costs is strengthened, then there will be some players that loose profit. One may argue that this is “desirable” – but then we need a clear definition of which impacts are desirable and which ones are undesirable, or we need at least some guidelines on how to determine this. And even then, in many cases trade-offs will remain unavoidable – and which guiding principle will help us then? – “no undesirable impacts” hinders many actions with such characteristics. One way out could be to claim that total societal welfare increases – but this is very general (but in this it fits the level of discussion addressed in this document). This solution is offered three lines later – but then better formulate such as to allow for undesirable impacts, as long as the net overall impact is positive (which bears complexities regarding matters of equity and justice, etc…).

      Page 16: I struggle with formulations as the following: “aim to ensure the provision of sufficient nutritious, sustainable, culturally acceptable, desirable and affordable food to consumers, while generating decent incomes to producers and other value chain actors, as well as protecting natural resources both domestically and abroad.” These are good aims – but in their aim to cover and improve everything, they bear the danger to result in inaction, as it is highly complex to work with such issues. What I would expect from this document is support and guidance regarding very concrete actions and goals to be pursued as proxies for all this – may not living up to all these good intentions and values, but at least reasonably well (cf. the general comments above).

      Page 16: “The main actions suggested by the SFS Transformative Framework in this regard are to” the four actions that follow remain very general… - these are from another document, thus they cannot be changed here, but this document here may could try to make them much more concrete. 

      Page 18: “people need better information and clearer recommendations regarding environmentally, socially and economically sustainable food and how food consumption impacts on all elements of the food system.” This is a suggestion for concrete action – but on the basis of which insights? Is it really the case that more information and clearer recommendations leads to improvements? I doubt this when looking at our western societies, where we have all this information and recommendations and not much changes…

      Page 19: Given the definition “A food value chain (FVC) consists of all the stakeholders who participate in the coordinated production and value-adding activities that are needed to make food products reach consumers.” I do not see how this may be primarily “an analytical approach to understanding how supply chains work in practice and how they can be influenced to achieve desired outcomes”. An analytical approach is something different, it should, for example, offer the concepts to be used for reducing complexity – thus: e.g. focusing on different stakeholders and their relations, such as “stakeholder analysis”, or focusing on governance, actors and resources, such as the “socio-economic systems” approach, or focusing on drivers, pressures, states, impacts, responses, such as the DPSIR, or focusing on different capitals, such as the livelihood approach. What is needed are suggestions for frameworks on how to reduce complexity when dealing with food systems, not definitions that encompass everything or commitments to take everything into account without concrete suggestion on how to really achieve this.

      In this, also the “sustainable food value chain approach” from page 20, for example, should be made more concrete, to clearly name which concepts are used to reduce complexity and then to work with the issues of interest.

      Page 20: “in creating a strong linkages between consumers and producers that contributes to the sustainability of the food system” – can you prove that this really is the case – in general, not only in case studies. I think it rather has the quality of a hypothesis. Furthermore – how scalable is this? How many consumers can and want to have a close linkage to producers? This may be a small fraction of all consumers only.

      I think this is a general danger in these discussions, that people working on sustainable food systems think that people are and should be interested in food and “good” food in particular (however defined). I doubt this and I would rather say that 80% are not interested in this at all and I also do not think that people should be interested in food if they do not want to be so (I would love if they were – but can we really require this in a liberal context, where people should have their say on what is a “good life” for them?). They just want to eat – better or worse, but without much effort – and cheap. This is also merely a hypothesis, but depending on which one is right, actions to improve the food systems may look totally different…

      Page 30: As observed by Godfray (2015): “Sustainable intensification if treated seriously is genuinely radical. It is not a smorgasbord of interventions that can be chosen at will to justify different farming methods and philosophies. It is a coherent program that seeks radical change in the way food is produced and which places as much weight on improving environmental sustainability as on economic efficiency. It should not be seen as business-as-usual with marginal improvements that benefit the environment, nor as a call for a purely environmental agenda that fails to acknowledge the need to meet people’s expectations for affordable, nutritious and varied food.”103 This is all nice – but this still seems to be a hypothesis – where are the concrete contents of SI as a coherent program?

      Page 30, SI: may make explicit, that SI tends to have a bias towards supporting efficiency: less input and impact per kg output, etc. – this is adequate for some indicators (e.g. GHG) but less so for reactive N, for example, which affects ecosystems, and these impacts are crucially related to areas and impacts per area rather than per ton produce.

      Page 38: “Food that provides calories lacking adequate nutrient density – due to impoverished soils, over-processing, unbalanced genetics, or some combination of these – are also topics of study from a public health perspective.” – With regard to this, I would suggest to also address the issue that certain yield increases are mainly driven by increases in starch, etc. , thus leading to diluted micronutrients per energy – thus, these commodities become micro-nutrient deficient due to increasing yields – thus, increasing productivity, as emphasized above, needs to be addressed with caution when choosing the measures to assess this.

      Page 42, bottom: reference is made to section 2.1. on the SFS transformative framework for more concrete examples; but in 2.1, concreteness remains rather low, and there are no direct references to SFS transformative framework given. Even when googling it, one gets very few hits only and  no specific document – so please make this much more concrete – ideally in section 2.1., or refer to the relevant web-resources.